asked for everything in existance to pledge an oath to never harm Baldur. Trickster, father of wolves (Fenrir), World Serpents, and Hel. Well actually that tells us the opposite, time moves slower in Jotunheim than Midgard. Also, it's believed to represent 3 Celtic worlds: Spiritual, Present (Ours), Celestial. Freya had many mortal, god and elf lovers she was even sought after by the frost giants. Hilton. Hiatea, greater goddess of nature, agriculture, hunting, and childbirth. I assume that way Thor found a way to come to Jotunheim (maybe disguised as his „dead mother“). Is it simply Atreus hearing Kratos' final words? Suddenly the walls give way to reveal an intricate mural that leads to a startling revelation. Original content must be respected and cited. Does the boy cause Kratos’ death? The giants were blessed that they could only be killed by a mortal and an immortal working together. While Kratos and Atreus view this act as necessary, Freya watches her son die in horror, and vows to exact revenge in this incredible monologue which proves that hell hath no fury like a mother scorned. Thing is, a lot of assumptions and established facts that were later changed due to later reveals in the game. During the great war the titans ( giants) they knew they must win the war on the moral world (Midgard) otherwise man kind is doomed if it was left to the hands of gods. I think it would be an incredible story arc for Kratos if, after all he’s done, he becomes beloved Bergelmir, king of giants, or Tyr, who brought peace and justice. Maybe Freya would have ulterior motives, but Mimir too? Since these giants were simply a natural, genetic variation of human beings, they died along with the rest of the earth's population. Faye was a Giant, meaning that Atreus is part Greek God, and part Giant. Jötnar are a type of entity contrasted with Gods and other figures, such as Dwarves and Elves. Genesis 7 tells of a worldwide Flood that God sent to destroy "all flesh" upon the earth (verse 21). It'll be cool to see how/if that unfolds. Very cool theory! Atreus sees past the illusion b/c he's part giant. Damasan was born to be the opposite of Ares, however Ares was the god of war, violence, war, bloodlust and bloodshed. Bottom Left - Japanese 'Mitsudomoe' (associated with Hachiman, God of War and Archery). Same time a battle is waging between Thor and the giants of Midgard as Odin foreseens Ragnarok. Probably an illusion so in case an Aesir somehow accessed the realm that's what they would see. The God of War footage at the PlayStation E3 2017 press conference didn't do much to fill in the years-long gap between the apocalyptic ending of God of War … But your theory is totally plausible, [–]Sirliftalot35 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (6 children). Or at least, allows for us to travel to view other myths/pantheons in the god of war universe, [–]Tinseltopia 34 points35 points36 points 1 year ago (6 children). ), [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children), Time travel and dimension travel ruins stories and allows the writers to write with no consequences, [–]Alberel 17 points18 points19 points 1 year ago (0 children). God of War is a third person action-adventure video game developed by Santa Monica Studio and published by Sony Interactive Entertainment. Later, with the help of Heracles and Dionysus, the strongest mortal heroes of the time, the gods were able to kill all the giants. This page explains the ending of God of War and covers a few unanswered questions and theories. Is the cycle of a son murdering his father truly not broken? Do not repost content that has already been posted within 7 days. In the Gigantes war against the Olympians there was one Gigante who did not fight, his name was Damasan. Theory on what really happened to the giants *SPOILERS* (self.GodofWar). We may even take control of him in the third game and have Keaton’s take his role in the first. Faye meets Kratos and they have Atreus. The most important divine struggle in Greek mythology was the Gigantomachy, the battle fought between the Giants and the Olympian gods for supremacy of the cosmos. Wow, totally forgot that Thor is also technically half-giant, like Atreus. Kratos shows the gods are good and Atreus is the champion for the giants. *spoilers*". [–]doglywolf 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children). Creation / Preservation / Destruction. But yes, according most of Mimir's stories while boating and the 11 shrines, Odin was always present and directly or indirectly succeeded in killing the Jötnar, [–]TheAntagoniser79 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (0 children). Also, they didn't suspect he was part giant either in their diagnosis. I think that maybe all the Giants weren't on board with leaving Midgard and maybe they started fighting amongst themselves starting a civil war between the Giants. They're a spell and that's why Faye needed them spread in Joutenheim. What if the Greek gods are the one responsible for their demise at the end of the game? © 2020 reddit inc. All rights reserved. It is primarily for this battle that the Giants are known, and its importance to Greek culture is attested by the frequent depiction of the Gigantomachy in Greek art. Why those specific trees? Started play GoW for the first time and I couldn't help but think of these two. The ashes were also glowing. It was God who conquered the 4-King coalition for Abraham and delivered them for defeat. She died of old age, like her former Husband once did. Posts containing spoilers should be marked as such using the option in the links below your post. Not all giants are actually giant, and she was normal-sized. Ad Nauseam - Please refrain from posting topics that have been vigorously discussed before. Faye - Bergelmirs Ex-wife/widdow was not killed. In ancient times, the giants rose from Tartarus to fight and destroy the gods. The gods initially struggled against the giants, with Zeus even becoming afraid of the enemies. I believe the ashes mark that it's time for the giants to wake up. As the pair make their way up to the highest peak, Kratos unwraps the bandages around his wrists, finally making peace with the ghosts of his past. There is the possibility that Atreus was an accident, but based on the ending events of God of War 4, the kid may have been Faye’s plan all along since she met Kratos. It would also mean that Freya lied to Kratos, as she seemed to tell him in no uncertain terms that his sickness was a result of him not knowing his true nature. [–]Surviver68 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago (1 child), I think he’ll die but we’ll carry it on by playing atreus. Not to mention that Kratos has constantly told Atreus how bad Gods are and taught him to hate them; perhaps that hatred for something that he secretly is was leading to extra turmoil and internal conflict. There's also references to Celtic and Japanese mythology in Helheim. [–]HEADLESSZOMB13 22 points23 points24 points 1 year ago (1 child). Then Caleb took all his family to live with him there for the rest of his life. In the game, Kratos and Atreus get to Jotunheim and find all the giants dead, their corpses dotting the distance. If you listen to Mimir throughout your journey, the egregious conflict between the ruthless Aesir and Jötunar (I don't believe I spelled that accurately) left a great deal of the Giants deceased. My theory: That just increases the potential greatness of the story in the sequel. It goes without saying, but spoilers ahead. And Frye is not as massive as the giant thamur. A long time passes in Midgard while only a few moments pass in Jotunheim. Spirit / Mind / Body. Odin gets the last laugh as the virus later kills the giants in Jotunheim after they build those monuments to record what happened to them. It seems that this symbol is associated with them, as far as I could tell. [–]BanterLord95 7 points8 points9 points 1 year ago (0 children), Very interesting theory, but I do not think that this curse or virus made by Odin was anything similar to the Atreus was going through. Mother / Father / Child. Joshua was happy that he had been able to lead the people of God into their own land. It's not as depressing and sad like OPs theory, [–]billynomates4real 3 points4 points5 points 1 year ago (0 children), [–]Hexadezimala 17 points18 points19 points 1 year ago (2 children). Use the search function to check if your questions have been answered in the past. A Titan himself, Zeus can take any appearance – ie a giant or an animal. Finally, the Giants, divine bastards, were the masters of death and destruction. Promoting dodgy scam sites or soliciting for free codes may also result in a ban. Faye was mortal and Atreus 3/4 mortal / Faye was a giant, Atreus is 1/2 giant and Baldur wanted her from the start, Midgard peak is highest peak to spread Faye's ashes / Faye meant Jotunheim, Frigg is Baldur's mother / Freya is Baldur's mother and queen of valkyries, Thor planned the killing of Thamur / According to Mimir, Thor just got lucky as Thamur was looking for his son, Light elves are non-violent and good/ Maybe the light elves are bad (? I think Odin created a magical sickness/curse that would kill the giants, using his knowledge of Aesir/Vanir magic. It is primarily for this battle that the Giants are known, and its importance to Greek culture is attested by the frequent depiction of the Gigantomachy in Greek art. Life / Death / Rebirth. Yes, THAT Loki. We encourage you to read our updated PRIVACY POLICY and COOKIE POLICY. It appears as if Kratos is dying, with his son close by. Use of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy. But how did they die? It could be cool either way, [–]elborru 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children), I think the Giants anticipated the death of Kratos, but he defeated the Destiny sisters, then he is a god that is not bound to fate and, therefore, he can avoid it (in fact he says that destiny is just a gods' canard. Tyr made it very hard for anyone to find their way there, eluding even the Aesir gods. Or … It's just one more story. Your theory is very good, but I can't imagine it would be effective without presentation of the cruelty. My theory is that they did not go to Jotunheim in the present, but they went in the far distant future. [–]TiteParaPresidente 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (4 children). Perhaps the story of the next game will revolve around Atreus seeking vengeance, and repeating the same mistakes as his father once did. God did help Caleb send away those giants and take over the mountain. [–]julianom7 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children), [–]AegonTheAuntFooker 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children). This is the realm that the giants fled to, escaping Odin’s wrath. The giants were formidable foes. We even saw him project his paternal feelings to Pandora in God of War 3. It was a fight between the Giants or Gigantes, sons of Gaea and Uranus, and the Olympian gods who were trying to overthrow the old religion and establish themselves as the new rulers of the cosmos.. After the Giants left Thors Mother (a Giantess) died. 3. I thought Bergelmir died because he was super old, as the father of all giants, and assumed his wife just died as well. Tyr. The Gigantomachy was probably the most important battle that happened in Greek mythology. He then killed all Giants, like his father had planed it. She still guarded Midgard, spending her days living with Kratos and mothering Atreus. I’m pretty sure that Freya and Mimir also both said that was the cause. They are aligned with Faye to bring about Ragnarok and they know that the giants are all dead by the hand of Thor and with a weapon that they created. Rune of Jötunheim Jötunheim is one of the Nine Realms of the World Tree, home of the ancient race of Jötnar and the final destination of Kratos and Atreus' journey in God of War. Remember, Giants are known for their ability to see the future. [–]Kalaschnikow-Hoang 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children), I like this theory too. It was God who conquered the 4-King coalition for Abraham and delivered them for defeat. God of War's Freya seems to follow the theory that Frigg and Freya are one in the same.) There’s hades where the heroic, neutral, and evil humans all end up, in their own various sections, and the Palace of the lord Hades is also on that level. Unless the symptoms of this disease include violent blood spatter and holes in the skull it seems pretty clear the giants in Jotunheim met their end in combat, not to illness. But wait. The Thunderbird is on one of the wall shrines heading down the elevator to the lower part of Tyr's temple. There’s hades where the heroic, neutral, and evil humans all end up, in their own various sections, and the Palace of the lord Hades is also on that level. Well, once you finally reach Joutnheim you realize that it is absent of any life. She only did not ask a mistletoe plant, seeing it as either too young, or inconsequential. Every realm is just a reflection of the other, and the realm travel room only works because there is identical rooms in every realm. Yes I know that, but most people want it to be permanent. Their theory was generally "Oh, the nature of this sickness is not knowing one's true nature and believing himself a mortal, etc". Spoilers - Do not include spoilers in the title of your post. This is the realm that the giants fled to, escaping Odin’s wrath. Titans come in all sizes example Prometheus his not large like the other titans He also finally allows Atreus to carry Faye’s ashes up the final stretch of the mountain, showing just how far these two characters have come. That stairway of light also deposited them directly where they needed to go and sent them past the murals they were meant to see. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: This subreddit is dedicated to discussion of the games and sharing news about them. But she did come from the realm of Jotunheim, as we find out at the end of God of War. 4. Stronmaus, greater god of sun, sky, weather, seas, and joy. It is because he suffers from ocd and he sees it in his child, he fears passing it on. [–]R_Not_Alone 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (0 children). Faye meets Kratos and they have Atreus. Laufey's nickname was Nal - possibly meaning needle - because she was known to be small and slender when compared to other jotunn.Â. But she did come from the realm of Jotunheim, as we find out at the end of God of War. They'll wake and that'll start Ragnarok. The only thing is his arrogant outburst when he goes through his God-phase, but he's physically healthy the entire time IIRC. ), Hrungnir's epic battle with Thor/ Hrungnir was a simpleton that got tricked, drunk then killed. Egyptian mythology has already been teased in Tyrs Temple. [–]TalonTheWolf 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children). Zeus inherited his mastery of lightning from the Cyclops. edit: not symbols of war (looking more into this). Past / Present / Future. Replayed and finished it again last week. Additionally it's odd Faye marked the trees which were glowing. When it came out, God of War on the PS2 was a revelation to the genre. That’s a LOT of speculation. His body is that of a god and giant but his mind believes it's a mortal. There must be a lot of trauma for Kratos and kids when it comes to the fate of his previous child. My man hades just vibing in the underworld, Having got the platinum, I am proud to announce. That's so fucked up. For one very important reason. According to the ancient text, the Giants —The Nephilim—became aware that due to their violent ways, they face an imminent destruction. You're literally climbing the world tree at that point. Not all giants are actually giant, and she was normal-sized. We find out Faye wished to name Atreus Loki, and that's how she referred to him to fellow giants, and in the mural. [–]nopeandnothing 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children). So this future where the giants die can possibly be averted by something different happening, such as Kratos not dying. Also explains why she spoke the long forgotten tongues. I think it's the latter. Throughout God of War's story, the fate of the giants is largely referenced, with inquisitive Atreus wondering why they all but disappeared from the other realms. Kratos dying isn't new, and it hasn't stopped him before. In Norse mythology, Freya (sometimes synonymous with Frigg. We even saw him project his paternal feelings to Pandora in God of War 3. For God of War on the PlayStation 4, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "About the giants *spoilers*". Old Norse jötunn (also jǫtunn,) and Old English eóten developed from the Proto-Germanic masculine noun etunaz which has a connection with the Proto-Germanic etanan which was reconstructed from … I think the characters' perception of the sickness can easily be wrong and true cause misplaced. 2. The last giant the Olympians killed on their own was Polybote. Throughout, the game presents the truth as being elusive and multifaceted; particularly Mimir's telling of the giants' stories and Odin's deception for cruel ends. Atreus’ mother was of the race of giants. When you have time travel and alternate universes, you can write up any story. This weakness allowed Kratos to snap Baldur’s neck and finally put an end his madness. It's possible that the conflict of nature was just mortal vs (something other than mortal). It became the new gold standard for action beat 'em ups. Freya is the daughter of Njord her mothers name was never mentioned. And that those who put their faith and trust in Him would be blessed and saved. Connect, support, comment or contact the author here Why did I just list off every giant killed by the gods alone? For God of War on the PlayStation 4, a GameFAQs message board topic titled "What happened to the giants? Finally, someone else who doesn’t want Kratos to die. Back to the great war as their army of titans start to fall, so did their gate keeper Thank you! He kept following God and doing what God said, and God was always with him. I think him just knowing that he is not an mortal in general is what caused it.... . So continuing that theory could it be possible that the mural is not a prophecy but a recounting of past events. Claiming credit for another artist's work will result in your post being removed and could lead to a ban. Keep discussions civil. )  Laufey is a jotunn (giant), mother of Loki, and wife of fellow jotunn Farbauti in Norse mythos. Tangentially related submissions may be removed if the link to the God of War universe is tenuous. From Santa Monica Studio and creative director Cory Barlog comes a new beginning for one of gaming’s most recognizable icons in the epic PlayStation 4 entry in the God of War franchise. Also if Atreus somehow finds out about this, he will begin a path of vengeance just as Kratos did with Zeus. [–]primetime_time[S] 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago (0 children). I think the same time as when Kratos sees himself painted as the Ghost of Sparta on a pot, [–]joshawaddell 13 points14 points15 points 1 year ago (5 children). Great theory. Where Odin has succeeded in murdering the Giants. God Of War: 10 Things Fans Didn’t Realize Happened Between 3 & The PS4 Game. ~ J.L. I want more trilogies! Unfortunately, we don't have answers for this.Â. The controls were so tight and made you feel so powerful, you understood why the gods would fear a mere mortal like Kratos. It had been since 2018 when I last played this masterpiece. Odin gains knowledge of Vanir magic from his marriage with Freya. As in, when the giants made the mural the events of GoW sequels had already happened and Kratos had already been killed. Freya was even married to one of her lover Odr the Norse god of summer until he disappeared. This sub will not promote let's plays, streams or calls for likes and subscribers. Lastly there was some lore on the wall that said "Wake us when the gods are good" and something about a champion. He was the patron of the storm giants and the cloud giants. So this is where things get tricky. I feel like the giants aren't actually dead, but instead asleep or in hiding. Remember, Giants are known for their ability to see the future. That would be even worse than Odin killing them, in a way. And used Tyr eyes as a bifrost crystal thing?. Tyr made it very hard for anyone to find their way there, eluding even the Aesir gods. The Book of Giants –which by the way is incomplete—offers a different perspective about the Nephilim. Today is a great day, two theories I have not yet read on this sub. Attacking or harassing other users may result in a ban. [–]joshawaddell 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago* (3 children). Oh, that's a really cool theory too. Art and craft submissions MUST always cite sources. [–]zer0_f0rgotten 17 points18 points19 points 1 year ago (0 children). Further, if not knowing his true nature was the issue, then wouldn't he remain sick for not knowing he was a giant as well until the end of the game? [–]Kalaschnikow-Hoang 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children), [–]j4c11 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (1 child). Genesis 7 tells of a worldwide Flood that God sent to destroy "all flesh" upon the earth (verse 21). and join one of thousands of communities. There is the possibility that Atreus was an accident, but based on the ending events of God of War 4, the kid may have been Faye’s plan all along since she met Kratos. This was Faye's plan all along. What if the giants of johunheim are the titans in Greek mythology. I'm glad you asked about them.
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